【键盘侠】哈登谈自己为何应拿MVP|谁拿奖都不应捧一踩一

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[Rachel Nichols] James Harden on why he deserves MVP "Look at all what we've had to go through, and you put any other guy in this situation that I've been in they probably wouldn't be here in that same situation."

火箭球星哈登日前接受了NBA名记Rachel Nichols的采访，期间谈到了自己应该是MVP的原因。

“看看我们所经历的一切，你把其他任何一个家伙放到这样的处境中，他们很可能做不到我这么好。”

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[–]shanmustafa 495 points 12 hours ago

it's really a coin flip between him and Giannis

Harden has the insane numbers, like 37/7/8 on .622 TS

Giannis at 27/13/6 , .638 TS, best record in the league and probably like a 64-65 win pace , and he's a defensive monster, best defense in the league and he's got the most dws and best defensive rating, leads the league in ws and ws per 48

he doesn't play as many minutes as harden either

per 36 he's at 30/14/6.5

这俩谁拿MVP就等于是扔硬币。

哈登的数据很逆天，大概有37+7+8，真实命中率高达62.2%。

字母哥则是27+13+6，真实命中率63.8%，球队战绩联盟最佳，或许还能拿到64-65胜。而且他还是个防守怪兽，联盟最佳防守，并且他的防守胜利贡献值和效率都是联盟最高，胜利贡献值和每48分钟的胜利贡献值均领跑联盟。

此外，他的出场时间也没有哈登多。

他每36分钟的数据则是30+14+6.5.

[–][LAL] Marcelo Huertas henstobs11 9 points 12 hours ago

Leading a 7th seed Bucks last year to having the best record this season, putting up efficient insane stats on the least minutes ever since becoming the main guy, toe-to-toe vs. PG as DPOY while being the frontrunner for MVP.

He just turned 24. Dear Deer God

湖人球迷：率领上赛季排名东部第七的雄鹿拿下联盟最好战绩，自打成为球队的头牌后，本赛季以最少的出场时间贡献了高效的数据，领跑MVP争夺战的同时还能在年度最佳防守人的较量中与乔治掰手腕。

而且他刚刚过24岁生日，我滴鹿神啊

[–]Rockets splanket 41 points 11 hours ago

Giannis also plays on a much higher pace team, so if you're going to account for minutes you have to account for that.

Harden 48.1/8.8/10.1 per 100 possessions (highest scoring per 100 possessions in league history)

Giannis 38.2/17.9/8.4 per 100

火箭球迷：字母哥球队的节奏也要快的多啊，所以如果你要算出场时间的话，那这点也要算上。

哈登每100个回合的数据是48.1+8.8+10.1（每百回合得分是历史最高）

字母哥每100回合则是38.2+17+8.4.

[–]Lakers TuneHD 2 points 10 hours ago

But the game isn't played by 100 possessions. You're delusional if you think fatigue isn't a big factor that comes into play with the pace.

湖人球迷：可比赛不是按100个回合打的啊。如果你觉得疲劳对比赛节奏的影响不大的话，那你真是妄想。

[–][HOU] Steve Francis 6Pac-Shakur 33 points 9 hours ago

then why do giannis’ minutes matter? he plays at a faster pace so he needs more rest. it evens out in my eyes

火箭球迷：那为啥字母哥的出场时间就该被考虑呢？他的比赛节奏更快，所以他才需要更多的休息。我觉得这扯平了。

[–][HOU] P.J. Tucker dustybagels 70 points 11 hours ago

Harden also has a pretty size-able edge in VORP and RPM, and a slighter edge in BPM, FWIW.

I wouldn't be upset if Giannis wins it. They're on a 62-win pace, best record in the league. Usually that wins out. He's a much better defender, which is hard to quantify as most of us know. Not saying Harden has been bad defensively because he hasn't, he's actually improved a lot in the past couple of seasons, but Giannis is still much better.

But Harden's scoring and overall offensive production have been unreal. He's doing it to give us a chance at winning and he's doing it in a way we haven't seen in a really long time, which is special.

火箭球迷：哈登的VORP（与替换球员得分的差值）和RPM（真实正负值）都大幅度高于字母哥，而且他的BPM（每个球员每100回合相较于联盟平均水平表现的正负差值）也略高，仅供参考。

要是字母哥拿了MVP我也不会失望。毕竟他们能冲62胜，还是联盟最佳战绩。一般这点都能胜出。他也是个强很多的防守人，这点是很难量化的。倒不是说哈登的防守稀烂，因为并不是，他过去几个赛季的防守进步很大，不过字母哥要强很多。

可是，哈登的得分和整体的进攻贡献是不可思议的。他的表现让我们有了取胜的机会，而且他的这种发挥我们已经有很长时间没有见识到了，这是很特别的。

[–]shanmustafa 47 points 11 hours ago

I really can't pick between the two honestly

My only problem is that Giannis seems to be getting discredited because his teammates are staying healthy.. that's not his fault that he can't show what he'd do without them like Harden has been able to do

And what he's doing with them is what no one really expected which is a 60+ win pace

说实话，这俩人我真没法选。

我唯一的问题是字母哥得到的认可似乎还不够，因为他的队友都很健康。他没法像哈登那样在很多队友缺阵的情况下展现带队能力，这又不是他的错。

而且他现在带领雄鹿向60+的胜场发起的冲击可是没人预料到的。

[–][HOU] P.J. Tucker dustybagels 29 points 11 hours ago

Yeah it's an unfair thing to hold against Giannis but it's fair to give Harden credit for keeping his team's head above water while they crippled around him. There is a difference, IMO.

火箭球迷：确实，针对字母哥是不公平的，不过认可哈登带领球队在逆境下前行也是合情合理的。我觉得两者还是有区别的。

[–]Bucks itshurleytime 10 points 10 hours ago

I like hating on Harden as much as the next guy and I think Giannis is a more valuable player, but if there is a good, honest argument for another player to be MVP, which there is, there's no real reason to be upset if Giannis doesn't get it.

雄鹿球迷：我是讨厌哈登的，毕竟他是字母哥的竞争对手，而且我觉得字母哥的价值更大。可是，如果其他球员得到MVP有着很令人信服的理由，这也是存在的，那要是字母哥没拿到MVP，我就没理由感到失望了。

[–]Bucks wendellsanders24 293 points 11 hours ago

As an aside, it's a weird thing to be sort of invested in these awards where I think there's rational arguments on both sides. I remember getting heated with Sixers fans over the Brogdon/Saric ROY award lmao, talk about a historic race.

It's easier to just appreciate the players 。

雄鹿球迷：插句别的，对这些奖项争来争去真的很奇怪，我觉得双方的得奖理由都很有道理。我记得当初还为了布罗格登和萨里奇谁拿年度最佳新秀和76人球迷争的面红耳赤，哈哈哈哈。

就好好珍惜这些球员的表现就好了，这不是更容易嘛。

[–]Rockets el_monstruo 32 points 9 hours ago

What I have been saying is there is no reason to tear one down to build the other up. There is nothing wrong with saying both are deserving either.

火箭球迷：我一直都说没必要捧一个踩一个。说他们俩都配得上MVP又没有什么错。

[–][HOU] Moochie Norris GeauxHouston22 88 points 11 hours ago

It's easier to just appreciate the players.

this is the truth

worry about wins and losses, all the other stuff is just extra

火箭球迷：“就好好珍惜这些球员的表现就好了，这不是更容易嘛。”

大实话啊，操心球队的胜负吧，其他的都是多余的。

[–]Rockets bushies 34 points 10 hours ago

Rockets fans have been here before, and I hate belittling other amazing campaigns. If giannis wins, I can obviously admit he's deserving, but I still will favor Harden's historic offensive output .

That said, Russell's MVP season was totally narrative driven and undeserving of the award. Objectively, Harden deserved it more. I say that having Westbrook as probably my favorite player to watch.

火箭球迷：火箭球迷在此，我讨厌那种贬低其他人杰出赛季表现的行为。如果字母哥拿了MVP，我会大方承认这是他应得的。

可是，我还是会力挺哈登历史级的进攻输出。

话虽如此，威少那个赛季能拿MVP完全是被舆论左右的，他拿奖的说服力不够。客观来说，哈登当时更该拿MVP。我虽这么说，不过威少也许是我最喜欢看的球员。

[–]Warriors IukeskywaIker 35 points 9 hours ago

The mvp award is pretty narrative driven in general. I don’t think it was just the year russ won that that’s been the case

勇士球迷：一般而言，MVP在很大程度上都是被舆论左右的。我不认为只有威少得奖的那个赛季是这么回事。

[–]Rockets A_Rolling_Baneling 20 points 8 hours ago

For real, do people not remember Derrick Rose? I'm a fan of his, I think he's an amazing player, but I don't think he should've won MVP that year. He was the third best player in his conference that year, not the best in the league. Narrative wins the day though.

火箭球迷：真的，大家还记得罗斯吧？我是他的粉丝，我觉得他很强，但是我不觉得他当年应该拿MVP。他那年是东部第三强的球员，还不是联盟第一。不过舆论还是左右了结局。

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[–][HOU] Chris Paul Dark22tj 165 points 12 hours ago

Ya know I was hoping to be wrong when I said this reminded me of the 2015 season but here we are, our starters haven’t played 25 games together and we are at all star break

火箭球迷：你们知道的，当我说这让我想起2015/16赛季的时候，我一度希望是自己错了，可事实如此，我们的首发本赛季都没在一起打过25场比赛，现在都到全明星休赛期了。

[–][HOU] Clint Capela Duche07 7 points 12 hours ago

Tbh we are much better than we were that year.

We ended up 41-41, this year we’ve had a disappointing record due to injuries

火箭球迷：说实话，我们现在比那年强多了。

我们当年41胜41负，这个赛季的战绩让人失望是因为伤病。

[–]Early Tree 62 points 12 hours ago

Guess that means they’ll stay healthy in the playoffs this year

我猜这意味着他们到了季后赛都会保持健康。

[–]nowhathappenedwas 192 points 12 hours ago

He's basically single-handedly dragged the Rockets to the second best offense in the league.

No one has ever scored as efficiently as Harden while taking on such a heavy offensive load.

哈登基本是凭一己之力把火箭的进攻拉到了联盟第二。

在承担如此艰巨的进攻重任的同时，没人能像哈登这样高效地得分。

[–][HOU] Shane Battier w2eatherman 239 points 10 hours ago

This is our 4th year arguing an MVP for James Harden. Rockets fans have heard every excuse in the book to not give him his MVPs. At this point I don't care. Give it to Giannis, it would make Bucks fans happier than it would make us.

火箭球迷：这是我们第四个赛季为哈登能否得MVP而争论了。火蜜已经听过了不给哈登MVP的每个理由。到这时候我都不在乎了。给字母哥MVP吧，字母哥拿MVP带给雄鹿球迷的欢乐应该比哈登拿奖带给我们的欢乐多。

[–][SEA] Gary Payton JoakimFreeThrow 103 points 10 hours ago

Damn ...

超音速球迷：靠……

[–]Rockets zamiboy 11 points 9 hours ago

This is what I say. That being said though, I would prefer if our player at least wins MVP because it is very likely that we can't beat the Warriors with 5 all star starters and 6 or 7 future HOFers

火箭球迷：我也是这个意思。不过话虽如此，我更想看到我们的球员至少拿个MVP吧，因为我们很可能不能击败五个全明星首发压阵的勇士，而且他们那儿有6到7个未来的名人堂成员。

[–]Rockets YaboiVane[S] 121 points 10 hours ago

How can a man be so good yet so disrespected

火箭球迷：哈登这么优秀的人怎么就这么不被尊重呢？

[–]Pistons ranchberke 71 points 10 hours ago*

Harden haters are probably my least favorite type of NBA fans. They can rationalize any metric, stat, or point against him. As Kanye once said, "shut the fuck up and enjoy the greatness"

Edit : man Harden haters are a sensitive bunch. I don't consider any of you real basketball fans

活塞球迷：喷哈登的那群人或许是我最反感的那类NBA球迷。他们可以将自己针对哈登的行为合理化。

正如侃爷以前说过的，“闭上臭嘴，享受伟大。”

编辑：天呐，哈登的喷子真是群玻璃心啊。我觉得你们都不是真球迷。

[–][SEA] Gary Payton JoakimFreeThrow 24 points 9 hours ago*

I can imagine it's rough to open Reddit and see your franchise player getting shit on time after time, but every team has their share of irrational fans

超音速球迷：打开论坛看到球队的头牌被大家一喷再喷，这种难受我能想象。不过每支球队都有不理性的球迷。

[–]Suns zephah 79 points 7 hours ago

I just don't know why more people can't understand there's a middle ground of people who understand how phenomenal Harden is at basketball and also don't like watching him play.

I probably like Harden more than most non-Houston fans because he went to ASU, but man there are just some really frustrating parts of watching him play.

I don't think he deserves less accolades or is a trash player, but I'm definitely on board with not enjoying certain aspects of the way he approaches the game.

太阳球迷：我就是不懂了，为什么很多人就是不能明白，有些球迷是中间地带的，他们理解哈登现象级的表现，同时也不喜欢看哈登打球。

我对哈登的喜爱或许比大多数非火箭球迷要多，因为他在亚利桑那州立大学打过球，不过，看他打球有时候真的会很让人失望。

至于说他配不上大家那么多的赞许，或者说他是个垃圾球员，这点我是不认同的。不过他打球的方式我肯定是有些不大喜欢的。

[–]Lakers msching 16 points 5 hours ago

Because everything is so black and white to people lol. I agree with you. I think he's great. I just don't like his manipulate the referee play style. The "he wouldn't score as much if he didn't take 20 FTs a game" is bullshit. He's a phenomenal scorer. It's how he gets away with the things he does, and I think the referees have some of my dislike to Harden's play style. After all, the calls he gets encourage him and others to play that style as well.

湖人球迷：因为大家都觉得一切非黑即白，哈哈哈。我是认同你的。我觉得哈登很伟大，我就是不喜欢他骗哨的打法。

那些“如果他一场比赛没有20次罚球是拿不到那么多分”的说法也是扯淡。他是个现象级的得分手。造犯规是他的风格，我觉得我不喜欢哈登的打法有部分原因是因为裁判。毕竟是他们的哨声鼓励了哈登，其他球员也跟着这么做。

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[–]EarlyTree 34 points 12 hours ago

Talk that shit, beard

把MVP拿了吧，大胡子。

[–]Timberwolves JSS0075 57 points 11 hours ago

The claim he makes right there is his best point for MVP and why I think he should win it. Who right now could do what he had to? Lebron, maybe KD, otherwise I can't see anyone pull it off. And those two are (probably) future top 10 G.O.A.T. players.

森林狼球迷：他今天的解释就是MVP的最佳论调，也是我觉得他该拿MVP的理由。现在还有谁能打出哈登这种表现？詹姆斯，或许还有杜兰特，否则我不认为有谁能做到。而詹姆斯和杜兰特这俩（或许）是以后的历史前十级球员。

[–]Raptors pleasefeedthedino 15 points 12 hours ago

He's right. I don't like his foul-baiting but that pales in comparison to the rest of what he's done this year.

猛龙球迷：哈登说的没错。我不喜欢他骗哨的行为，可是比起他这个赛季的表现，这些都不值一提。

[–]Pelicans Good_NewsEveryone 56 points 12 hours ago*

I feel like if we're voting by historical criteria, then Giannis is the choice. But if I'm voting like "most outstanding player" then I'm leaning Harden. I tend to want to ignore the historical BS and just vote for the guy I think has been the best. And that's Harden right now. At the same time, I think the Bucks would sorta be justified to be annoyed if people voted against the normal historical criteria.

Which is sort of the annoying part about MVP. Feels like there's not exact criteria and how you choose to define the award is just as big of a factor as anything else in a lot of years.

鹈鹕球迷：我觉得吧，如果我们要参照历史标准来给MVP投票，那字母哥该拿。可是如果我要以“最卓越球员”的标准来衡量，那我站哈登。我更想忽视所谓的历史标准这些破事儿，就投那个我觉得本赛季表现最好的人。那个人现在就是哈登。与此同时，如果大家真不按常规的历史标准选MVP，那我觉得雄鹿球迷不爽也是合理的。

这就是MVP这个奖项让人烦躁的地方。感觉它的评比没有一个明确的标准，多年以来，你怎么去定义这个奖项也是一个很重要的影响因素。

[–][LAL] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar NotYourAverageWaffle 74 points 11 hours ago

Guess we gotta ignore all the years Bron carried an entire team filled with dead weight into the playoffs and sometimes the finals.

湖人球迷：看来我们得忽略詹姆斯背负重压独自带队的那些年了，他可是把球队带进了季后赛，而且有时还进了决赛。

[–]Rockets rlivz 29 points 10 hours ago

What years were those? Bron has 4 MVPs

火箭球迷：那你说说是哪几年？詹姆斯可是拿了4个MVP的。

[–][MIA] Dwyane Wade nnalic 20 points 9 hours ago

2016 and 2017 stand out the most I guess

热火球迷：我觉得16/17赛季和17/18赛季最明显了。

[–][GSW] Monta Ellis baby_hooper 22 points 6 hours ago

Kevin Love was the best PF in the league in 2014... Lebron did not "carry" a team that had Kyrie and Kevin Love to the finals, the cavs were clearly the most talented eastern conference team those years

?

that being said, carrying the 2018 cavs to the finals was imo Lebron's greatest achievement, that was truly incredible

勇士球迷：凯文-乐福在14/15赛季可是联盟最佳大前锋啊……不是只有詹姆斯一个人扛起球队吧，他可是有欧文和乐福才进总决赛的，而且那些年的骑士明显是整个东部最有天赋的。

话虽这么说，我觉得独自带领骑士进入18年总决赛是詹姆斯最伟大的成就，那是真的了不起。

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[–]throwawayyy1234569 19 points 10 hours ago

Giannis has a legitimate case for a DPOY

And he's in the MVP conversation. And his team has the best record

Honestly that's the bag right there imo

字母哥是年度最佳防守人的强有力竞争者。

他自己也在争夺MVP，他的球队拥有最佳战绩。

说实话，我觉得他的MVP已经稳了。

[–]Mavericks mffl113 3 points 8 hours ago

Ya, Harden deserved to win the last two MVP awards. Westbrook shouldn’t have won it two years ago. But this year, Giannis deserves to win it with the say he’s played and with his teams record.

独行侠球迷：是的，之前两个赛季的MVP是该哈登拿的。两年前的威少不应拿MVP。不过这个赛季，字母哥凭借他的表现和球队战绩理应拿奖。

[–]Raptors _TheresMyChippy_ 20 points 12 hours ago

Look at Giannis' supporting cast vs Harden's.

I don't think Giannis could carry the Rockets the same way James is.

猛龙球迷：把字母哥和哈登的配套阵容比比吧。

我不认为字母哥可以像哈登这样扛着火箭队前行。

[–]Warriors YellowBaboon 59 points 12 hours ago

But MVP has never been who can carry the worst team. Don't understand why we should punish someone because he has a healthy team and has won way more games while playing a similar elite level with less usage.

勇士球迷：可是MVP的评比从来都不是按谁能扛起最菜球队的标准来的啊。就因为字母哥的球队人员健康，而他又在以更低的使用率打出与哈登相似的精英级表现的同时，赢球场次也更多，所以我们就要怪他吗，真没法理解。

[–]Kings KingsBallSac 26 points 10 hours ago

The criteria keeps changing. Especially depending on who you are a fan of or which team you like or don't like.

国王球迷：标准是一直在变的。尤其取决于你是谁的球迷，你喜欢或者不喜欢哪支球队。

[–]effhomer 5 points 12 hours ago

Every year players on garbage teams say this and every year players on good teams say it's an award for leading the best team.

每个赛季那些垃圾球队的球员都这么说，而强队的球员每个赛季则说奖项是给那些顶尖球队里出类拔萃的人准备的。

[–][HOU] Clint Capela Duche07 39 points 12 hours ago

Garbage team? He’s literally game back from 4 seed and can possibly make a late push for 2/3 depending on how the Nuggets/OKC end off.

OKC has the toughest schedule left

火箭球迷：垃圾球队？？他可是在带领球队冲西部第四啊，而且或许还能为西部第二、第三做最后一搏，这就看雷霆和掘金最后的发挥了。

雷霆剩下的赛程可是最为艰难的。

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